Sannyasins Are Concerned

One sannyasin writes:

These people [Swami Anand Arun and Swami Anand Keerti] want to be free to dominate, to tell sannyasins what their religious duties are, to play their ugly holier-than-thou trips, to press some third eyes, imitating Osho, recreating a past, but now with themselves in Osho's shoes ...
The Commune tried to prevent them, that's why the argument.
I've looked into Arun's eyes, here:

arun stting on tapoban samadhi

You know the Osho samadhi in Tapoban? It is an island; "the remains" are on a little island, surrounded by a ring of water. So in this picture, he is sitting on the island, by Osho's "remains", and everyone else "meditates" outside, outside the ring of water.
This is so ugly. It is almost like necrophilia. And it tells you everything you need to know about Arun.
And yes, these people talk about freedom and beautiful things before the revolution, and when they feel they have enough of a power base, they tell you that it is your religious duty as a sannyasin to attend their meditation camps, as Arun is doing even now.
They are liars. Everything they have ever said about Osho being against copyright and trademarks is a lie, since such copyrights and trademarks are expressly mentioned at the front of the old books from Poona 1 and the Ranch. But they simply keep repeating their lie, because they don't like the truth. It interferes with their designs.
Arun's claim that Osho made him an Acharya and that this means he is entitled to hold discourses is a lie. Arun's claim that Osho was against the use of black is a lie.
These are priests and politicians, appealing to the basest instincts, as all politicians do - hiding, of course, behind beautiful words. Don't get caught.

Another sannyasin answers:

I gather you must be good at reading Tarot cards.
One can't say that Arun isn't open about himself and his endeavours.
One only needs to have a good look at the symbolism.
Still methinks there's no harm if Osho remains available with all his books.
So, it's good that there's a grassroots movement of making the database of his books available as much as possible.
Arun and Keerti won't be able to explain everything away. If the way they behave is how they want to learn (disciple literally means learning), then they may be in for a tough ride at times.
The question is, are Nepalese sannyasins sufficiently acquainted with the internet (and are there enough of them able to read English...).

Sannyasin S is surprised at the discussion that's going on:

There are many different topics, the first being the - The Mala revival, I want to give my two Cents worth of opinion on this today, rest in other mails.

The statement on this website "Notwithstanding the fact that Osho advised his sannyasins to stop wearing the mala, in Nepal Swami Arun revived "the sanctity of the mala". There has even been a Mala Revival Celebration." This is a myth because Osho never said NOT to wear the Mala and NOT to wear red clothes. Below are some quotes and all dated after the quote on this website from Osho in The Last Testament, vol.4 #8 19 November 1985.

Example 1:

Beloved Osho,
The device of mala and saffron clothes gives us an integrity, freedom from social norms and courage to stand alone. Now, with a free sannyas, are you going to create more subtle devices to achieve this?

I am certainly - because it is time that your meditation should make you different from anybody who is not meditating. Your silence, your love, your compassion, your friendliness, should make you aloof from anybody else.
Mala and clothes are very material things. I would like now some spiritual distinctions to be created - and they are already there. It has happened many times - people have reported it to me. They had gone to do some work, and perhaps the mala and the clothes might have been a hindrance in the work, so they went in plain, ordinary clothes, but they were recognized. The shopkeeper said, "But something is different about you. You are not the usual kind of person who comes."
And that will be far more beautiful - that you are recognized by your spirituality, by your integrity, by your individuality, by your compassion, by your love.
But I have not said that people who want to remain in orange and mala have to drop it. Even new sannyasins who want to choose the mala and red, they can. And my feeling is that none of the old sannyasins are going to leave the mala and red clothes. They have become almost part of them - without them they will feel almost naked.
And the new people who come, even if they come with plain clothes, soon they will start wearing red and the mala, because they will look so much like foreigners, outsiders - and nobody wants to look like an outsider. Everybody wants to be an insider, in the innermost circle.
So I have opened the doors so people can come in who are just sitting on the fence, who are sympathizers, who always wanted to be sannyasins, but just because of the clothes and the mala, they are afraid. So I want them to get down from the fence and enter into the temple; and the temple is full of red people. Once they are down off the fence, it will not be a long time before they will be in red.
Red is not going to disappear. It is going to grow more and more. And opening the doors for people who cannot suddenly change their clothes - let them take their time, why keep them out? Let them meditate - that will give them courage.
Sannyas will remain red and sannyas will remain with malas. I have opened the door only for those who are half-heartedly standing outside. It does not look good - let them come in. Painting their clothes will not be very difficult.

(Osho - Light on the Path #1, chapter title: Be unpredictable
3 December 1985 am in Kathmandu, Nepal)

Example 2:

Beloved Osho,
Wearing the mala and red clothes used to be my statement to the world around me, my rebellion. Now, when I wear them it is out of my gratitude and an ever-deepening love and trust. What is happening?

The two things are two aspects of one phenomenon.
In the beginning when I insisted that you should wear orange and the mala, it was for a particular reason. It was a statement to the world about your rebellion, that you don't belong to the old and the dead traditions; that you have found a new way of life, a new way of being. And it is not only your conviction; you are devoted totally to it, whatever the consequence.
Against the whole world, standing alone, it helped your courage, it helped your intelligence. It helped you to unburden all the past knowledge, traditions, religions. That phase is over. Now there is no need. The second phase of the work has begun.
I don't insist that you wear orange clothes or mala.
We have already made the whole world aware of the movement, of its philosophy, of its approach. There is no need to go on struggling with the dead forever.
Now, if you choose to wear orange and the mala it is not my insistence, it is your insistence - then naturally its meaning and significance has changed. Now it is your gratitude, your love, your thankfulness for whatever has happened to you and is happening to you.
Now it is not a statement to the world, but an indication to me.
Now it is no more a struggle with the world, but simply a love affair with me. First it was my insistence, now it is your insistence.

(Osho - The Osho Upanishad #28, chapter title: If you swim, you miss.
15 September 1986)

Another interesting quote from Rajneeshpuram:

Beloved Master,
A Few people are feeling not to wear their malas or red clothes, but they consider themselves Rajneeshees and want to live here. How does this fit your vision?

There are no Rajneeshees, and there is no Rajneeshism. That was also part of this fascist regime.
You cannot be Rajneeshees because there exists nothing like that. Even I am not a Rajneeshee, so how can you be? So, first thing, forget that you are a Rajneeshee.
Second thing, the mala and red clothes are symbolic of the commune. If you don't want to wear the mala and red clothes, then pack your luggage and get lost. This is not your place, and we don't want you to be here.
This only shows how the mind moves to extremes. Either you will be a slave or you will be licentious, but you cannot be a free individual.
Your red clothes are your identification that you have dropped all old conditionings, that you are the sunrise of the new man and of the new humanity.
The mala has one hundred and eight beads. It represents the one hundred and eight methods of meditation. Any method will do. It is just to remind you continuously that one hundred and eight doors are open to bring you into light, and you are unnecessarily groping in darkness. Choose any method. I have spoken extensively on all the methods of meditation.
Dropping the mala simply means forgetting the symbolic meaning of the mala. Dropping the mala means that you don't want to meditate. If you don't want to meditate, then what the hell are you doing here? It is a meditation commune.
And why were you not walking around without the mala and without red clothes before? Cowards!
When everything was being done against humanity and against you and against the law, that was the time to revolt. That time you were just docile. And now, because nobody is forcing you, you are walking around without the mala and without red clothes. You can walk, but that means walk out. And we don't want anything to do with such people, because these are the people who will again force the same structure.
My picture, and the locket in the mala, is simply symbolic. It is not something sacred. It is symbolic of your freedom from all religions the way I am free! It is symbolic that you are my fellow travellers. It is symbolic of your love.
It is difficult, of course, for me to hang around my neck one million lockets to show my love. It is easier for you.
On the one hand you address me, "Beloved Master" - and you cannot have the mala and the locket. I know the reason. In the outside world, everywhere you will go you will be condemned, you will not be accepted. You will be misfits. And I want you to face the world, rather than get lost into the crowd. My picture is enough. You will not be accepted anywhere. So you can decide. If you don't have the courage to be rejected everywhere - in your family, in your friends, in your society - you are free. Nobody has told you to become sannyasins. You have become sannyasins on your own accord.
Naturally, if you don't want to remain sannyasins, you are perfectly welcome. But not on the streets of Rajneeshpuram.

(Osho - From Bondage to Freedom #9, chapter title: Intelligence is a luxury, 23 September 1985 am in Rajneeshmandir )

You all can find many more quotes on your own. This myth that Osho asked or advised NOT to wear the Mala and red clothes is common among the western sannyasins, I live in Munich and wear the Mala most of the time and whenever I come across a sannyasin who does not know me, I am always asked "hey, swami don’t you know that Osho has asked us NOT to wear the Mala"

To which the owner of this website answers:

Yes, there are more quotes. Like for instance this one:

"Don't, don't follow any rules. This is what I mean when I say: Be a sannyasin. Just be. Your ochre robes, your mala - these are rules. This is a game. This is not what I mean by real sannyas. But you are so accustomed to games that before I lead you to a ruleless life, in the transitory period you will need rules. Moving from this world of rules, of games, to that world without rules and games, a bridge has to be passed. Your orange clothes, your mala, are just for that transitory period. You cannot drop rules immediately, so I give you new rules.
But be fully alert that your robes are not your sannyas, your mala is not your sannyas, your new name is not your sannyas. Sannyas will be there when there is no name, when you become nameless. Then there will be no rules. Then you will be so ordinary, you will not be recognized. Only then....
But don't think that now it is okay, so no need to take sannyas and no need to take an orange robe. That is again a trick. You have to pass through this, you have to go through this. You cannot bypass it - and if you try to bypass you will never reach to the other shore.
Rules of the world, then rules of sannyas, and then comes a no-rule state; no, commandments are needed. Don't change the old commandments - they are okay as they are. You be, simply be, and follow and flow into the being."

(Osho - A Bird on the Wing #9, 18 June 1974 in Buddha Hall, Poona, India)

So, it seems to me that nowadays you are free to wear orange and the mala or not.
That's what Osho's insistence has been all the time, to be free from any outside structures.
In this regard also consider this:

"Sometimes people are bewildered. Sometimes someone comes to me; he has not even heard me, he has not even known me, and I initiate him into sannyas. This is absurd, not understandable at all. But I know. And whatsoever I am doing, I am doing very considerately. This is just the beginning, this initiation, because only through this initiation will I be able to create devices for his waiting; otherwise he cannot wait. If I tell him, "Wait five years, and then I will give you initiation," he cannot wait. If I give it to him this very moment, then he can wait.
So let it be like this, it makes no difference. The same will be the process. Because you cannot wait, I change. I will allow you to wait afterwards, and then there will be a second initiation. This is the formal initiation, the second one will be informal. The second one will be like a happening. You will not ask me, I will not give you. It will happen. In the innermost being it will happen, and you will know it when it happens."

(Osho - I Am The gate #7, 10 June 1971 in Bombay, India )

One could say that Arun and Keerti and Neelam emphasize formal sannyas, which is only a preparation for the real sannyas to happen later on. I have also referred to this possible movement from the formal to the real when I wrote on my website:

"So, as long as the dynamite in Osho's books remains available to all neo-sannyasins in Nepal, out of the exotericism constantly new esotericism will flower. There will be a movement from the outer to the inner, from down to up.
The exotericism in Christianity could become overpowering and extinguish esotericism only after a few books were accepted as gospel to the exclusion of many Gnostic works."

That to me is crucial: the availability of the complete works of Osho.

Says sannyasin S:

Yes, Osho's insistence has been all the time, to be free from any outside structures. But he makes it clear that this happens only "when there is no name, when you become nameless. Then there will be no rules." Osho goes further to say that first "Rules of the world, then rules of sannyas, and then comes a no-rule state; no, commandments are needed. Don't change the old commandments - they are okay as they are. You be, simply be, and follow and flow into the being."

My question to you and to all sannyasins who feel free to drop Orange and the Mala is. "Have you all become 'NAMELESS' ?"

The Owner of this Website replies:

There's no question that Osho allowed for the orange and mala not to be worn anymore. Believe me, I personally would have preferred to continue as before with the orange outfit and mala. But, there's been a time period in between the orange-and-mala-phase and the maroon-robe-phase, when people went into Buddha Hall with plain, ordinary clothes and without a mala to listen to Osho's lectures. And this without problem. After lecture celebrating like so:

sannyasins celebrating in plain clothes

An Osho quote indicating orange and mala had ceased to be obligatory:

...My whole work - day in, day out - is going from one emergency room to another emergency room. I don't have any other work. I have so many people in the world, and they are so expert in creating emergencies, that I am running like crazy. Why do you think I have told you now to drop the mala and orange clothes? Because it is getting too much! - running, without any rest.

(Osho - The Hidden Splendor #10, 17 March 1987 am in Chuang Tzu Auditorium)

A sannyasin muses:

I do give a lot of importance to Mala and I wear it all the time, with other Rudraksha, yantras etc. embedded Malas on my Neck All the time:).
Whether one believes or not, I being my self, an Astrologer, found the Osho-Mala also to be very powerful Talisman. (I have experienced many times, on different occasions, how these things work and how when they are not there, how the unprotective our aura becomes for negativities to enter etc, etc, etc,.............this is entirely different topic.............).
Please believe/listen to me, they have Power. They are seekers tools from the ages, they are to be respected...
Esotericism or exotericism, It is a Self-Observable fact, that Mala works just like a Talisman and Osho's Purpose and Mysticism is highly exemplified by this. Of course if anybody is not interested or they cannot wear it due to some special circumstances....etc.....It's their personal choice. But that does not downgrade the importance of esoteric and Master-Initiation Symbolisms reflected in the Mala which is usually worn after the "happening" of one's sannyas.
So I strongly support the wearing of Mala (of course voluntarily!) by all or many Osho-Lovers and Let the flow of revival continue in its full swing.
Why Not?

"Here's why", answers another sannyasin:

Simply because the past is dead. If you try and revive the past it will hold you back. Revival is sickness, it is the bringing back to life a corpse, still stinking and rotting. Let it be, move on to the future :)

A sannyasini says:

I too give a lot of importance to the mala - always have. I don't wear it on my body a lot anymore, but it hangs clearly visible in a prominent spot where I live. It is always with me where I dwell.
But I think we have become sidetracked from the real question here. It is not a question of whether one should or should not wear the mala. It is a question of whether someone should require others to wear the mala. Wearing the mala as a matter of own choice is one thing, wearing the mala as a requirement given by someone else is something entirely different.
In my opinion, Arun is definitely out of bounds in requiring people to wear the mala. No, he is not merely of the priest caste, he is setting himself up as something even higher than that. He is not only living in the past, he is also over-riding Osho's own last words on wearing the mala - which clearly gives us the choice to wear the mala or not. Does the whole thing suck? Yes, it does.

Sannyasin S refers to Osho saying:

But when I say to you, "Drop the ego," you all become deaf. "Drop the mala," and you are immediately ready. But all have not dropped the mala. Those who had loved it, those who had accepted it as symbolic of a relationship with me - they have not dropped it. Neither have they dropped their red clothes, because red clothes have become their remembrance of being a sannyasin, that they are initiated into a mystery school. Those red clothes twenty-four hours a day remind you that your work is to find yourself. They have not dropped them.
A few immediately dropped...
and it was simply a great experiment to see who is really an initiate, and who is here just by accident. Those who did not drop the mala and did not drop the red clothes may perhaps be able to drop their egos first. Then those who dropped the mala and the red clothes and rushed to the boutique to find new clothes, they will be the last to drop the ego. And I am not Jesus, who said, "Blessed are the last" - no. Blessed are the first! Cursed are the last!

(Osho - From Bondage to Freedom #29, 13 October 1985 in Rajneeshmandir Rajneeshpuram Oregon USA)

Another sannyasin answers:

Osho suggesting at first that sannyas' paraphernalia had become unnecessary and then in this quote suggesting the opposite, it is perhaps another instance of him proving to be a master of confusion. It's this confusion around sannyas that Arun in Nepal is trying to take away. You equally seem to want to assert that you're not confused at all on the matter. Yet confusion may be a vital ingredient. In the confusion people feel helpless, because they don't know anything for sure anymore. And Osho may have created confusion at the time as yet another device to undermine ego...

Quote:

It is good to feel helpless... prayer arises out of helplessness. And that helplessness will help your ego to drop. If you can do something in every situation then the ego never drops. You have to come to face certain situations where you are absolutely impotent. You would like to do something but you cannot do anything... it is simply impossible to do anything.

...

Just see the helplessness of man... and all the nonsense that ego goes on thinking. Neither birth nor death are in our hands. Nothing is in our hands. Once you realise this, prayer arises. Prayer is a cry, a deep cry, of helplessness. And prayer makes a person religious.

(Osho - Nothing to Loose But Your Head #19 (a darshan diary)

A sannyasin quotes Osho's last words on the subject:

There are almost two million sannyasins in the world. I have told them not to wear orange clothes, not to wear the mala, because I don't want anyone to suffer because of me. But anybody trying to persuade sannyasins to drop sannyas... Now what is left as far as sannyas is concerned? I have told them to forget about the orange clothes, throw away their malas in the ocean. Only meditation is the essence. Just keep to it, nobody can even suspect that you are a meditator. It is your inner, innermost center.

(Osho - Zen: The Quantum Leap from Mind to No-Mind, 20 June 1988)

A question answered with a personal story

A sannyasin puts this question to a group of other sannyasins:

Osho sent a message to the Academy of Initiation that there is no need to wear malas any more. Sannyas is about going inwards and nothing to do with the outer.
Some people are upset, so it is taken to Osho again and his response, passed on again to the Academy is:

"If you must wear your mala, then at home in meditation only."

Friends,
I have not been there but many of you here must have been in Poona 2, in 1989 & 1990.
Were you asked not to wear the Malas at that time?
Is the above statement from the Pune Resort true?

Answers a sannyasin:

Yes, it is true, as you know we have a controversal master...
It was at the very beginning of Poona 2, a police officer came up to Osho's bedroom (Lakshmi had unfortunately let him in when he demanded to see him ) to personally hand over to Osho a court order to leave Poona immediately again (Osho had just arrived the night before from Bombay). So Osho had to be woken up and when he saw the police, he ripped up the paper and told them in a very strong and powerful way to leave his room immediately. We were standing outside in the corridor at the "green curtain", with pricked up ears, trying to hear all that's happening. It would have been a great scene in a movie.
So the situation was very heated, the police had come early in the morning with trucks, tools and a bunch of workers to tear down all illegal buildings, and it was quite difficult to cool them down and come to an agreement.
Since there was a lot of hostility against sannyasins in the whole city, I guess Osho wanted his sannyasins to be more safe at that time and also to meet with trouble already at the airport (a few sannyasins had been refused entry).
It just made total sense when he said something like, "Now it is good to be invisible like the fish in the water."
I remember there were a few sannyasins who didn't like it and continued to wear bright orange clothes and mala.
When Osho heard about it he told us to take their mala away, if they didn't get the point.

Another sannyasin confirms:

Yes, It was so... I knew only from outside, I was too a main gate guard at that time... It was swami Swabhav, Osho’s ambassador for India now, who let the police man go inside the Master's bedroom, I think, not Lakshmi, but anyway that doesn’t matter.
But I know I heard he was beating his head on the wall and crying out loud asking for forgiveness... he might have felt utterly guilty (I feel) and helpless...
I remember when the Vilas Tupe’s Guys came with a full truck in front of the ashram to destroy everything... osho let us know to "just go in front of their truck and do kirtan, make female sannyasins take the lead."
What an energy it was at that time, Oh !!! Only now there is some sense of what I have witnessed at that time, Alas!! If only I had been a little more awake to know the value of that...

The first sannyasin (who answered the question):

Since you were at the gate, you got especially this part and swami Swabhav as "Ashram in charge" was responsible for letting the police officer into the gate and into Lao Tzu House, but Lakshmi had the key to Osho's room and she let them in.
After that incident she didn't get the key anymore and was mainly working outside Poona for the Ashram; not much later Osho appointed swami Tathagat "Ashram in charge".

A third sannyasin adds:

Thanks for sharing your intimate experience and the reason for Osho's message at that time. That is understandable. What I don't understand is that it is said to be Osho's "FINAL MESSAGE" by the Academy of Initiation in Pune on their new website for Neosannyas.
At the end of the webpage titled Osho on Sannyas there is the statement, "The Final Message to the Academy of Initiation on Malas, 1989", to me this gives the impression that all what Osho says on sannyas is also Osho's final messages, and all decisions taken in Pune about sannyas and the running of the "Osho Resort" in Pune are according to "Osho's Final Message".
To me using this phrase "Final Message" is creating a Religion, with the resort being the FINAL authority like the Vatican of Sannyas. And they claim that all they want is to prevent sannyas becoming a Religion and it is surprising that intelligent sannyasins believe them.
I don't need to find an Osho quote to say that all organised Religions, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc. claim to be the "Final Message".
I used to be critical of the RESORT but now I trust their intention to avoid sannyas becoming another religion; but Amrito & Co are not enlightened enough to avoid the "Law of reverse effect".

Osho says:

"Now one thing has to be understood. The hypnotists have discovered a fundamental law; they call it the Law of Reverse Effect. If you try hard to do something without understanding the fundamentals, just the opposite will be the result."
(From: Ah, This! Chapter #6)

So in my understanding Amrito & Co should just keep to the exoteric part of Osho's work and leave the esoteric work if they don't understand the fundamentals.
But then it is the most difficult thing to accept that "We don't Know".

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